When should you NOT upgrade your Barn or Silo?

Your farm has impressive stats! Congratulations 🎉 

If you are not opposed to use a few diamonds, easily replaced by mining, you could try using the Lay-away method of expanding your barn/silo. Here is the link. Cowslips explains it far better than I could. 

justhayday.boards.net/thread/68/layaway-expansion-materials-storage-space

Collecting EMs for one or the other (barn/silo) may help ease the burden, as well. 

There is also a Trading thread that you can try. The biggest obstacle at times is the daily purchase of EMs. Just a thought. 

I wouldn’t stop upgrading but look into the tips the previous posters have shared.

My barn is 6550 and still always full
My silo is behind at 5050 and that’s full a lot too but this size does help with crops tasks and challenges in valley, derby farm pass etc.

Think of it this way...

If it takes 150 in material to get 50 new spaces... after the upgrade you will actually have 500 spaces to start filling.

First of all, welcome salamx1976 to the JHD forum.  And congratulations for having barn and silo at 4200 capacity for your level. 

You've made a logical argument and value your planks, duct tapes, and bolts equally.  I don't value my Upgrade Materials (UMs) equally because I get more tapes and planks than bolts.  Currently, I need 107 of each for the next barn expansion, but I have 24 bolts, 90 planks, and 80 tapes.  My strategy is to collect bolts while selling excess planks and tapes after I reach 107 planks and tapes.  I don't need to sell bolts because their amount never exceeded the amounts of planks and tapes.

I think many players refuse to sell any excess UMs because they're so hard to get and thus fall into the trap set by Team Hay Day.

Former Hay Day Game Designer Touko Tahkokallio gave a fascinating talk at the 2018 Game Developers Conference to his fellow developers. He's the current Game Lead for Clash Quest which was released in beta in April 2021.

My key takeaway from his presentation is players gain certain materials asymmetrically. Players are divided into 27 groups and get the same expansion tools and same drop rate but there's a permutation so some will get more or less of the tools to encourage selling surplus tools and buying the missing tools.  Um, which word describes the act of buying something or selling something?  Trading.

And thus, I'm not stating my opinion when I say trading between players was intended by the developers from the very beginning.  After watching his video, I chuckle every time I read posts asserting something like trading is a feature not designed by Hay Day.  Say what!?  Many players assigned to one of the 27 groups have been negotiating the prices and amounts for their UMs with other players because of the design feature called the asymmetric drops of UMs.  Again, trading occurs when we buy something or sell something with another party which may be a live player or bot.      

To watch Dr. Tahkokallio's presentation, please use your favorite search engine or DuckDuckGo to find the video entitled Design in Depth at Supercell: Why Great Ideas Aren't Enough. He's a fascinating fellow who is a trained theoretical physicist and made board games as a hobby.  Then he changed career path and became a fulltime game developer at Supercell. Thank you Dr. Tahkokallio for sharing your insights about game design at Supercell.

==Lynn==
  

Lynnk, for a large part thats a very insightful posts however there are a few things not completely correct.

Yes we do know the imbalance was created on purpose as some of the old forum gang knows. In meeting Nick and team Hay Day face to face several times through the years they’ve told us that. However they’ve also told us repeatedly and crystal clear that what people consider to be trading is not by design and intention. The act of selling and buying and the act of trading isn’t exactly the same thing.

The intent was to make sure road side shops from players would also offer some premium goodies. So for example I sell my extra tapes I don’t need and every once in a while when opening the news paper of going through my friends shops I find the bolts I need.
This is significantly different from reaching out to Person A and trading my extra tapes directly with them for their extra bolts.
That’s why there never was secure way made to transfer your goodies and the only option we got so far the neighborhood trading box with all its limitations. That’s also why there are several ways for people to visit your farm and unless you don’t do certain things it’s difficult to keep people out.
Technically Hay Day always considered the stuff in your road side shop to be on the open market and no longer yours.
Luckily through the years they’ve made some changes to give players a little more control however that took a lot of requests and changes they’ve dragged their feet on a long time. Such as removing followers etc.

I also want to thank for this controversial thread. It's not very often that opinions for a special issue are such different. And then coming along with this to the point and at once with a lot of insight is simply great.

I don't play HayDay since the beginning but as far as I can remember Supercell wasn't "happy" about the trading issue. This wasn't by design in the first place as kat stated. And sometimes later they introduced the 80 limit. They intended to achieve multiple things:

1.) Limiting the exzessive trading
2.) Re-establishing a balance between the high level and the low level farmers as the trading favored especially the higher level players
3.) Fighting the bots

If I forgot something please feel free to add.