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Post by BostonGirl on Dec 28, 2021 12:19:49 GMT
I write this essay that no-one asked for๐ 1. in support of the town, and 2. as a (kind of) tip to players.
I hated the Town with a passion. Hated it. As a new player to HD, I was waiting to open it because I suspected it would need EMs required on my farm. I asked the members of a NH I was in at the time and I was advised to open it.
I did and found that I was right. Not going to lie, I really resented (what I decided was) the self-serving advice especially since I had specifically asked about the resources. Eventually left the NH, but I digress.
To add insult to injury, I found the Town very difficult and for a long time I avoided it. Many dozens of levels later, the derby came along and I started playing the Town. I expanded it and maxed the buildings* and the train, little by little. By then my farm was much bigger and resources easier to come by.
I have since realised that unlike almost every other part of the HD โuniverseโ, the Town is easier to play at higher levels. It starts out very difficult, mainly I think, because the initial buildings given (looking at YOU grocery) ask for so many of every basic product produced on the farm. But once the Town is established, the other buildings become available, the train is up to speed, and townies are available from other farms, it is an amazing resource.
As MomโsCar said in another thread, itโs the only place you can somewhat reliably get the EMs that are scarce on your particular farm. There is a lot of XP to gain. It helps to manage your barn and silo. If HD consisted solely of the farm and the Town (as it used to) it would be an incredibly balanced game...even more so than it is now.
To those who resent the Town, I would urge anyone at Level 75 or over to give it another try in regular play. If you only play the Town for the derby, you will continue to hate it, I promise you that. Play it when you have no pressure to take ANY townie or fill ANY building. A. Serve the ones you can; B. Decide whether you want to cater to those who ask for just a bit more consideration; C. And send the ones it is impossible to satisfy packing. You knowโฆdo as one would do in RL.๐ You may be surprised at the benefits.
* To this day I still havenโt maxed any shop that asks for barn and silo materials. I have maxed their time, capacity and XP slots. But the coin, no. And I still make the grocery the very last shop I fill. Because I toss so many of its customers, I fill it last to maximise every multi-customer. I even leave townies idle until other shops become available because grocery store customers are so.very.unreasonable.๐คจ๐
If youโve stayed with me to the end of this epistle, hereโs your medal. ๐
๐ I hope you give the Town a chance. Itโs better than it seems at first play.
EDIT: I should add: think about this. Every time you serve a customer, you get XP and coins and every time you fully serve a customer, you get XP, coins and a gift. In a fully maxed Town, thatโs 42 chances to get an EM, saw or axe. If you fully serve a full town twice a day, thatโs 84 gifts, not to mention the coins and XP. I havenโt checked the stats (and never willโฆokay, lack the capacity toโฆ๐) but I suspect that not even โwheatingโ gives those returns.
EDIT 2: Look at what occurred to me for the first time because BauldersGate kicks out the non-sanctuary three-fers ๐ - the townies who visit the Sanctuary leave TWO gifts. One of those fashionable ladies in the hat just gave me dynamite upon her release from the B&B, then ogled my yellow giraffe and left a saw at the bench. The Town rocks!
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Post by donkeyfan on Dec 28, 2021 12:33:18 GMT
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Post by ducktown2021 on Dec 28, 2021 12:59:10 GMT
BostonGirl, do you play derby, and if so at what league? I find myself only to play the town when needed for a derby task. As soon as I am done with the derby I serve 42 visitors and ignore the town until the derby starts again. I get enough EMs by just wheating an hour per day.
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Post by BauldersGate on Dec 28, 2021 13:21:45 GMT
Yes! Love my town, lv 40 currently ๐ I've maxed out every building, lv38 being the max for the buildings where you serve people. You can fit 6 people and get 60% increase to coins, rep and experience and a 40% reduction on time it takes to serve; Maxed the trains too...although flying solo wastes the full potential of the personal train which is a shame! As rather than potentially picking up 10 seperate visistors several times a day you get 1 or 2 extra visitors a day from Gregs ... I really wish Hay Day would address that for those of us not wanting to be in a neighbourhood! I send boats for puzzle pieces or worth while events I send trucks for vouchers or worth while events But as soon as I realised you get gifts from fully served visitors the town became my main in game focus where everyone gets served (although I often kick the 3 building people out if they're not wanting to visit the sanctuary) ๐
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Post by ducktown2021 on Dec 28, 2021 13:50:43 GMT
If you donโt want to be in a neighborhood, make babyfarms. Upgrade them to the level that they can open town. And there you have your 42 additional visitors you can pick up with your personal train. ๐
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Post by donkeyfan on Dec 28, 2021 14:01:16 GMT
Well, my experiences with the town are very similar to those from BostonGirl . (Townlevel 48 actually) As far as I can tell it was level 60 when I considered the first time to develop it. Before this time I neclected the Town, it annoyed me. I used it very rare, and if at all most unwillingly. It annoyed me due to the imbalanced output as long my town wasn't fully developed. Like BostonGirl described you have to give the townies very much from your products and get nearly nothing in return. To make things worse it's extremely laborious to increase the shops, as every shop has max 6 places for visitors, 60% for coins, 60% for Reputation/Experience and 40% for service time. To achieve the final goal you have to be very, very patient and to be ready for spending a lot (!) of tools to increase the town, and this is going to happen only in 5% steps.If you do some math you can imagine (no, you cannot) how much time will pass and how many tools such as panels, screws, nails and so on you must spend to come along. It's pretty tough. I must admit at that time I wasn't ready for this. If there wouldn't have been another player in a high level who supported me with the needed tools for some time I would not have made it. Time passes and the more I could expand the better was the outcoming relating to the products I had to spend. At that time I finally realized how awesome the town was, in every respect. I got more and more eager to accomplish and finish the town completely. Once fully developed, it's (for me!) the most balanced and effective place in HayDay. You can always decide whether you serve a townie or not. Mostly I do so, only the grocery townies are sometimes impertinent. I send those packing. Meanwhile my concentration is focussed mainly on my town. I support all of them, also those who wanted to be served in 3 shops. I don't mind, they get what they want. With the town I have a better management of barn and silo, and it's never as excessive like some boat orders which several chests to fill. And the board for truck orders? Also uninteresting for me, with the exception of some events but this happens rarely, too. I use the town every day, every time, always, not only for derby. It helps furthermore to gain desired tools I'm lacking of. Additional I could force it - if I want - by using the personal train. Only 1 townie is needed to gain a tool after serving. For all the reasons mentioned I love the town and won't ever miss it. My advice is to give it a try. Be patient, you need huge stamina, but it's worth the effort, in my opinion. As I said a fully developed town is not to be beaten by any other place in HayDay.
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Post by BauldersGate on Dec 28, 2021 15:42:34 GMT
If you donโt to be in a neighborhood, make babyfarms. Upgrade them to the level that they can open town. And there you have your 42 additional visitors you can pick up with your personal train. ๐ I'm working on 2 new baby farms now for that very purpose ๐
I'm not used to having baby farms so its slow going ๐
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Post by donkeyfan on Dec 28, 2021 16:19:59 GMT
It's by all means apporopiate to be in a nh and/or having babyfarms. Town is available at level 34. It's not that difficult to achieve it. It cost some time, of course, but it's possible. When I look back I regret having wasted time to get the town finished. But better late than never. My sister-in-law began with developing beyond level 100, and this was much (!) laborious than starting earlier. The higher your level is the more difficult it is to accomplish the end. A babyfarm comes in handy. Ack with ducktown2021 . Of course it takes also some time to increase the town on the baby, but there is no need for a hurry. Main thing is, to do it whenever it's possible.
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Post by BostonGirl on Dec 28, 2021 21:42:05 GMT
BostonGirl , do you play derby, and if so at what league? I find myself only to play the town when needed for a derby task. As soon as I am done with the derby I serve 42 visitors and ignore the town until the derby starts again. I get enough EMs by just wheating an hour per day. When I was playing the derby regularlyโฆup to earlier this yearโฆI was playing in the Champions League. Iโm mostly ignoring the derby now. I play the town all the time.
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Post by BostonGirl on Dec 28, 2021 21:50:49 GMT
BauldersGate, if you have enough coins (and axes and saws on your main farm to share) plant lots of fruit bushes and trees on your baby farms and then sell at full price. Harvesting them give a lot of XP that has a huge effect at low levels and the sales boost your coin stash. They also sell really quickly. Youโll be at Level 34 fairly quickly. I need to emphasise thisโฆyouโll need loads of axes and saws and your main farm Town will help with that.๐
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Post by ducktown2021 on Dec 28, 2021 21:56:05 GMT
BauldersGate, if you have enough coins ( and axes and saws on your main farm to share) plant lots of fruit bushes and trees on your baby farms and then sell at full price. Harvesting them give a lot of XP that has a huge effect at low levels and the sales boost your coin stash. They also sell really quickly. Youโll be at Level 34 fairly quickly. I need to emphasise thisโฆyouโll need loads of axes and saws and your main farm Town will help with that.๐ And even wheating on your main helps for saw and axe drops. ๐
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Post by l26 on Dec 29, 2021 1:11:23 GMT
I can't remember how I felt about the town earlier (/as in before the derby), but I love doing town jobs in the derby, so these days it is one of my favorite things in HD. The orders give me something reasonable to use my products on and the orders are rarely 'outlandish' like they can be on the billboard or from visitors on the main farm. All in all I really like the town aspect of HD.
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Post by ๐ผGymGirl๐บ on Dec 29, 2021 4:42:12 GMT
If you donโt to be in a neighborhood, make babyfarms. Upgrade them to the level that they can open town. And there you have your 42 additional visitors you can pick up with your personal train. ๐ I'm working on 2 new baby farms now for that very purpose ๐
I'm not used to having baby farms so its slow going ๐ Exactly why I started a baby farm which does not get a lot of time but it does give us people to pick up. I love the town and find it great for getting EMs as well as XP. Town visitor train tasks are amongst my favourite tasks in a derby.
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Post by MommySnooks ๐ฏ on Dec 29, 2021 15:51:30 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to put together the detailed explanation and tips, BG! It was an interesting read. ๐
I too neglected it early on, and now have it at 42 spaces, using it mostly for the derby. If I do a couple of town tasks and end up emptying my town, it takes me a few days to refill it, lol. (Twice a day?!).
I stopped upping the buildings for increased % after I had the 6 spaces done because I get annoyed enough looking for EM materials for the barn and silo and donโt want to have to mine and make and store 16 x (?) refined bars of things, lol. I canโt stand having a squishy barn (which it usually is, lol). I can stack for the derby when it is, but thenโฆ. My dream, which seems like it will take years, is to be able to hold 10 of everything I can make, two sets of animal feed, and to have room to save the next set of EMs for barn, silo, and land. Iโm starting to think thatโs impossible, lol. As it is, Iโm behind on the silo because I stopped to upgrade my fishing tackle box a bit once upon a time.
So while the town may help with tools, it needs them as well, soโฆ? For example, I emptied the entire town looking for some specific tools to finish an upgrade and found like, 2 of them. And 40 things I needed to use, sell, give away or make room for, lol.
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Post by ducktown2021 on Dec 29, 2021 16:59:56 GMT
BostonGirl, concerning your edit. 84 townies per day give 84 gifts. Some you can only get in the town are to update your town buildings. How long does it take to serve 42 townies times two and the time it takes to pick them up with personal train and/or eggpress train? Wheating gives me 2-3 drops per minute. I know with doing townies you donโt have to be online all the time, but I rather wheat and trade the surplus with my casual daily and weekly traders.
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Post by BostonGirl on Dec 29, 2021 18:39:14 GMT
BostonGirl , concerning your edit. 84 townies per day give 84 gifts. Some you can only get in the town are to update your town buildings. How long does it take to serve 42 townies times two and the time it takes to pick them up with personal train and/or eggpress train? Wheating gives me 2-3 drops per minute. I know with doing townies you donโt have to be online all the time, but I rather wheat and trade the surplus with my casual daily and weekly traders. Oh dear Ducky. I really havenโt worked out the precise numbers. Like I said I donโt think I can. Just the thought of doing that much maths is making my blood vessels swell in protest. ๐ I will start out by saying that youโre not wrong. I made my comment re wheating because I was being a bit facetious ๐ while taking into consideration many factors including time, XP, coins, barn and silo management, and drops. Truth is, wheating may be the most efficient activity. I donโt know and Iโm sorry my comment is ambiguous. Nevertheless, Iโm going to leave it to preserve the integrity of this discussion. Meanwhile, I can tell you the approximate times for the buildings with full time upgrades. Grocery: 36 min Gift Shop: 1:00 hour Beach Cafe: 1:12 hours Diner: 1:30 hours Cinema: 1:48 hours Spa: 2:23 hours B&B: 4:48 hours Personal Train: 1:30 hours, 10 passengers Main train: 6 hours, 14 passengers On the leisure days that I give major time to HD I clear dozens of townies. Iโve never counted but I know I clear the B&B and Spa at least twice each and who knows how many times for the other shops. My personal train eats up a lot of track between my main and baby farms keeping my town at full or almost capacity. (I have three, two of which each have a capacity of 42 townies. I just today started repairing the train station for the third to open the town.) By the time they are getting replenished with the Main Train, my main arrives and I use that to fill my Town. ๐ Honestly, it all works out really well. Hope that helps.
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Post by BostonGirl on Dec 29, 2021 18:58:59 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to put together the detailed explanation and tips, BG! It was an interesting read. ๐ I too neglected it early on, and now have it at 42 spaces, using it mostly for the derby. If I do a couple of town tasks and end up emptying my town, it takes me a few days to refill it, lol. (Twice a day?!). I stopped upping the buildings for increased % after I had the 6 spaces done because I get annoyed enough looking for EM materials for the barn and silo and donโt want to have to mine and make and store 16 x (?) refined bars of things, lol. I canโt stand having a squishy barn (which it usually is, lol). I can stack for the derby when it is, but thenโฆ. My dream, which seems like it will take years, is to be able to hold 10 of everything I can make, two sets of animal feed, and to have room to save the next set of EMs for barn, silo, and land. Iโm starting to think thatโs impossible, lol. As it is, Iโm behind on the silo because I stopped to upgrade my fishing tackle box a bit once upon a time. So while the town may help with tools, it needs them as well, soโฆ? For example, I emptied the entire town looking for some specific tools to finish an upgrade and found like, 2 of them. And 40 things I needed to use, sell, give away or make room for, lol. Hey Snooks. After reading this Iโm thinking that Level 75 is too low. I was thinking about Level 75 as of when I attained it. We didnโt have the monster XP given by Farm Pass and I hardly ever did (or do) boats and trucks because I donโt like them. So getting to 75 for me took a long time and a lot of basic farming, grinding for XP. Getting there, I also didnโt have the lure of a lot of things that newer players have. All those pets, machines, crops, etc. that have been added over the years. It was easier to concentrate on upgrading the Town. But hang in. The Town truly gets easy after a certain point. The boats and trucks and derby get harder. If it wasnโt for the Town I think I may have abandoned HD earlier this year. I was just burnt out trying to keep up with everything else. Yes it turns out Iโm very competitive. Now mainly doing the farm and town has, for me, restored my HD time to the recreational, stress-reliever it used to be.๐
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Post by sunlightfarm on Dec 29, 2021 19:01:05 GMT
What a beautiful summary, i think lots of us can agree with your thoughts. I hated the town in the beginning, placed the piggy digging a grave deco there for every greedy townie asking for my hard earned premium items. At the same time ( must be around lvls. 50 - 80) i loved the trucks. Nowadays it is just the other way around, love, love the town, easy orders, lots of benefits and i hate the trucks, strange orders ( like 48 popcorn for few coins ) . Levels on farm and in town as well as a better barn may be part of that change, but today, at this point i really enjoy the town as a reliable source for axes and saws as well as the needed lems for the next upgrade. All the work done at lower levels now pay off and helps in daily gameplay. Thanks for the reminder that lots of us share similar experiences.
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Post by greenleaf on Dec 29, 2021 19:03:39 GMT
The town has always been a favorite of mine. At first it was difficult to do some,, but nothing like the train.. and they sat there until I had the stuff to serve them.. I also wheat, to get ems... But... it is boring! I enjoy puttering around in the town much more! I have 2 farms and still have work to do on baby town but I'm maxed out on the trains and all buildings serve 6 at a time. I love derby tasks that involve my town as well as normal play. I believe that some people just resent having to collect the tools to expand their towns and dislike filling barns with ems for everything. I understand that. My position on that is to do one building at a time and if the building does not require that particular tool, sell it or don't buy in RSS. Except tar. Lol. That I bought every time I saw it.
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Post by Warios on Dec 29, 2021 21:02:06 GMT
I've been playing the game for just under 4 months, but i embraced the town when i got it unlocked. Up till then my time was spent wheating, and selling everything i made on the RSS, I shied away from trucks and boats, heard about the horror stories of grinding x3 exp events and then stuck with no coin and too poor to buy the last 3 machines.
The amount of tools/ems ect that can be gained from doing town for me far surpasses anything you can get from boats/trucks.
Currently I am farm level 62 & town rep 21, I normally put 60-90 fully served townies through a day, each one giving a bit of exp/rep/gold and that coveted item drop. But for me it's the "strategy" required to make sure you have the needed items prepared to serve townies once sent to a town building.
I have a bit of satisfaction first log in of the day when I can rotate the current partially served townies to new buildings, send the 14 new ones dropped off to their first stop and being able to serve the 30-35 new occupants with my stocked items and have a smiley face on the sign outside the train station when I return to my farm.
Thinking about it, if there was no town aspect of the game, I am not sure i would still be playing HD, filling boats for a voucher, or doing trucks just for exp/gold does not offer much of an appeal to me. I have no desire to level up very fast, last machine is lvl 94, last product i think is lvl 102? I spent too many months with a maxed account in clash, taking my time with HD and enjoying the ride and the scenery as I progress.
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Post by Warios on Dec 29, 2021 21:50:42 GMT
BostonGirl , concerning your edit. 84 townies per day give 84 gifts. Some you can only get in the town are to update your town buildings. How long does it take to serve 42 townies times two and the time it takes to pick them up with personal train and/or eggpress train? Wheating gives me 2-3 drops per minute. I know with doing townies you donโt have to be online all the time, but I rather wheat and trade the surplus with my casual daily and weekly traders. For me, it takes about 10 minutes to rotate and serve townies, go back to my farm and check machines to keep them running. After that i go back to wheating. (well corning) no reason you cant do both.
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Post by ducktown2021 on Dec 29, 2021 22:03:23 GMT
BostonGirl , concerning your edit. 84 townies per day give 84 gifts. Some you can only get in the town are to update your town buildings. How long does it take to serve 42 townies times two and the time it takes to pick them up with personal train and/or eggpress train? Wheating gives me 2-3 drops per minute. I know with doing townies you donโt have to be online all the time, but I rather wheat and trade the surplus with my casual daily and weekly traders. For me, it takes about 10 minutes to rotate and serve townies, go back to my farm and check machines to keep them running. After that i go back to wheating. (well corning) no reason you cant do both. True, but not my playstyle. I prep and stack machines for derby and not to make products for townies. Maybe once when I get bored by playing the derby I might consider doing both. Now my focus is on barn and silo upgrade and getting permits. ๐
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Post by Warios on Dec 29, 2021 22:47:36 GMT
For me, it takes about 10 minutes to rotate and serve townies, go back to my farm and check machines to keep them running. After that i go back to wheating. (well corning) no reason you cant do both. True, but not my playstyle. I prep and stack machines for derby and not to make products for townies. Maybe once when I get bored by playing the derby I might consider doing both. Now my focus is on barn and silo upgrade and getting permits. ๐ I get you 100% on the stacking part, that was one of my challenges to find a Hood. Serious about derby, but not that serious that stacking was required since there is no way i could play the town how i wanted and be able to stack machines or town as needed.
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Post by ๐ผGymGirl๐บ on Dec 30, 2021 2:32:20 GMT
It is an interesting read so thanks everyone. I find I get bored wheating so rarely do it whereas I enjoy making the products and happily give a lot of them to townies. The exception is the grocery store when they often want large quantities of dairy items. I find that I increasingly do fewer boats now, manly puzzle pieces ones. I donโt need to ask for help with townies and trucks but boats are harder. The town buildings are mostly maxed for XP and time but I donโt need coin.
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Post by BauldersGate on Dec 30, 2021 10:34:35 GMT
My barn storage is probably below par for level ๐
But I treat 10 as 0 when it comes to keeping items 'in stock'
So if I have say 7 of something after an order I'll make 3 more to bring it back to 10
That way I can instantly serve townies then go load machines to get back to the magic 10 ๐
Sometimes a boat order or event will wipe me out but it doesn't take too long to regain stock
Items used in the creation of other items like cream, sugar, bread, cloth, honey are generally kept at double or triple that number (always seem to be low on honey!)
Long items like jam are kept always above 10, usually 11 or 12 as that's about average as to what a single boat asks for without a booster active (although I only send puzzle piece and event boats ๐
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On occasions I'm at 10 for everything with time to spare I make to sell excess in the shop
But mostly its for town orders and events
Works for me as a system at my current level quite nicely but I'll probably adjust to holding more as more and more barn space becomes available ๐
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Post by Cowslips on Dec 30, 2021 11:08:31 GMT
My barn storage is probably below par for level ๐
But I treat 10 as 0 when it comes to keeping items 'in stock' So if I have say 7 of something after an order I'll make 3 more to bring it back to 10 That way I can instantly serve townies then go load machines to get back to the magic 10 ๐
Sometimes a boat order or event will wipe me out but it doesn't take too long to regain stock Items used in the creation of other items like cream, sugar, bread, cloth, honey are generally kept at double or triple that number (always seem to be low on honey!) Long items like jam are kept always above 10, usually 11 or 12 as that's about average as to what a single boat asks for without a booster active (although I only send puzzle piece and event boats ๐
) On occasions I'm at 10 for everything with time to spare I make to sell excess in the shop But mostly its for town orders and events Works for me as a system at my current level quite nicely but I'll probably adjust to holding more as more and more barn space becomes available ๐ Many years ago, when I had a "Saturday job" in retail - and long before computers existed - we used a stock-keeping method known as "order up to level" (OUTL). That worked by having a list of each item you held, with an OUTL assigned to that item. You counted your stock, compared it with the OUTL, and ordered the difference. Like you, I use a similar method for Hay Day. My OUTL is generally 20, but certain items have a much higher number.
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Post by donkeyfan on Dec 30, 2021 15:23:26 GMT
Always interesting to read about the different playstyles. Luckily HayDay offers the possibilitiy for everyone to play how it suits him most. As for me I have no special goal. Neither to grow up fast with leveling nor expanding silo and barn at all costs or to gain vouchers and other things. I try to get them if possible, but I don't force it. Same applies for the puzzle pieces. Meanwhile I know very well how many products I have to hold available from every machine to let my farm run smoothly and quietly. Same applies for feeding my animals. With a little exception, I don't feed the animals from sanctuary that regularly, the hay bales are too time consuming in production. I do it if I want and when I'm in the mood to do so. If not, then not. I also don't care that much for derby, I'm very choosy regarding this matter. Therefore it won't bother me if I (and my sister-in-law) become demoted or not. But one thing important concerning derby is not to have to be busy with this a whole week. I don't like that and prefer to deal with it as fast as possible. I try to achieve a relaxing mood with everything I'm doing on my farm and my town. Of course this does not always succeed, and I have also times - I admit - when I'm bored or annoyed. But this lasts not very long. At least I enjoy to watch still the behaviour of my animals. As I wrote earlier, the town is the main part in my farm business, and will it always be. If I'm in short supply of some tools I have at this point the opportunity to force it by using the personal train additionally. But I only do it if I feel like it. Barn and silo wasn't and isn't a concern of mine because I have always more than enough space. I'm also very relaxed about the enlargement.
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Post by BostonGirl on Dec 30, 2021 17:01:53 GMT
OUTL - who knew it had a name? We never stop learning. ๐
My number is generally 12 and like Cowslips, some items get many more than that.
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Post by lynnk2021 on Dec 7, 2022 17:47:07 GMT
I don't know how I missed BostonGirl's essay the first time last year. Thank you BG for sharing your insights about the Town.
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Post by greenleaf on Dec 7, 2022 19:43:36 GMT
The town is one of my fave parts of the game. I do derby. My hood is a competitive league. We enjoy the challenge! But I play the town all week even though we finish a derby in 2 days.
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