lynnk2021
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Post by lynnk2021 on May 7, 2024 17:53:48 GMT
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Post by Mom’sCar on May 7, 2024 20:23:30 GMT
lynnk2021, I hope that my assumption is correct that it is not YOUR account that was banned and only you were reminding players here not to violate the TOS. As per the discussion in the linked reddit thread, emulators have never been allowed. I remember many threads in the now defunct official HD forum mentioning emulators. Those were always followed by a strong warning and/or removal or edit of those threads. Such reminders are always welcome.
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Post by lynnk2021 on May 7, 2024 20:43:15 GMT
LOL. Thank you Mom's Car for your concern. No, my farm wasn't banned but the Redditor's was for using an emulator. Apparently, Team Hay Day won't tolerate farmers playing their game on emulators and has enforced the TOS by sending players to banned camp for an unknown period of time.
IIRC, a few years ago when Darian Vorlick was still Clash of Clans' Community Manager, Team CoC released an update which became unplayable for players using emulators.
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Post by pelecatmiaow 😺 on May 7, 2024 22:23:24 GMT
This is a new one for me ..what is an emulator for Hay Day? Please would someone mind explaining?
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Post by Cowslips on May 8, 2024 0:07:43 GMT
This is a new one for me ..what is an emulator for Hay Day? Please would someone mind explaining? An emulator is software that enables play to happen in a way that developers did not intend. A simple example would be an app that enables Hay Day to be played on a PC. Some emulators can appear to be quite innocent, but some can give a player an advantage (for example, by speeding up actions in an action game, or facilitating cheating). It has always been the case that use of an emulator breaches Supercell's Terms of Service. Here is an extract: "You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
"Engage in any act that Supercell deems to be in conflict with the spirit or intent of the Service or make improper use of Supercell's support services.
"Use or take part (directly or indirectly) in the use of cheats, exploits, automation software, emulators, bots, hacks, mods or any unauthorized third-party software designed to modify or interfere with the Service, any Supercell game or any Supercell game experience...." (my emphasis)
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Post by lynnk2021 on May 8, 2024 0:12:53 GMT
This is a new one for me ..what is an emulator for Hay Day? Please would someone mind explaining? Here's the definition provided by Wikipedia, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmulatorIn other words, some users prefer for whatever reasons to play HD on their PC's instead of phones or tablets. Emulators allow them to do this which is a violation of Supercell's Terms of Service. I prefer not to help players find emulators so they'll play on their PCs and break Supercell's TOS. It's one of my many idiosyncrasies. While I see the benefits of emulators for visually impaired players, I know emulators also allow organized crime to exploit popular mobile games and launder monies, a major crime in many countries.
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Post by Lily77 on May 8, 2024 4:27:30 GMT
It seems that Tencent, which owns Supercell, is offering an emulator for a good number of games which are intended to be played on mobile devices (and which seems to have prohibited the use of third party applications though I checked only one game as the list is long). The emulator is even offered for a game offered by Supercell so my interpretation is that it cannot be based on the regional regulations.
What distinguishes this emulator from the other emulators as I do assume that it is accepted by all the game developers that the Tencent's emulator can be used not to be in violation of their terms?
(as such an emulator exists, it can be very helpful if Tencent makes its emulator also available for Hay Day and similar popular SC games for players having difficulties on playing mobile devices).
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Post by lynnk2021 on May 8, 2024 6:10:17 GMT
Fascinating. Are you aware that Team Clash of Clans and Team Clash Royale created and published PC versions of their mobile games so there's no need to use emulators? It's up to Team Hay Day if they would publish a PC version, IMO. supercell.com/en/news/clash-games-live-on-pc/EDIT: Reading Supercell's TOS, I have found no mention that it's permissible to use Tencent's emulator to play Supercell games. Were I to use Tencent's emulator, I should brace myself for repercussions including a permanent ban for violating Supercell's TOS.
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Post by Lily77 on May 8, 2024 10:17:54 GMT
Fascinating. Are you aware that Team Clash of Clans and Team Clash Royale created and published PC versions of their mobile games so there's no need to use emulators? It's up to Team Hay Day if they would publish a PC version, IMO. EDIT: Reading Supercell's TOS, I have found no mention that it's permissible to use Tencent's emulator to play Supercell games. Were I to use Tencent's emulator, I should brace myself for repercussions including a permanent ban for violating Supercell's TOS. Thank you very much for your reply. I learned about Clash Royale being already playable on PC when searched a little bit (as I got surprised seeing such an emulator offered by Tencent), since Clash Royale is one of the games that Tencent offers its emulator in the long list of games. I did not know about Clash of Clans. Then, Tencent is offering an emulator, among other games, for a Supercell game which can already be played on PC, which I think sounds strange. As you have pointed out, it seems that using even Tencet's emulator has the risk of being banned on the end of Supercell.
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Post by Frog on May 8, 2024 11:05:10 GMT
EDIT: Reading Supercell's TOS, I have found no mention that it's permissible to use Tencent's emulator to play Supercell games. Were I to use Tencent's emulator, I should brace myself for repercussions including a permanent ban for violating Supercell's TOS. I don't see any mention of Tencent's emulator on the official page you linked. Did you mean Tencent created an emulator on their own for some games? In the other possibility, Google Play Game is in beta, with link for more information from the same news article. In my view, it's not an emulator where you can install whatever you want, but only a selected gams that are published by their producer. Like another platform to play the game the way it is designed, with official support.
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Post by bigjdub on May 8, 2024 13:35:11 GMT
I’m all about fair play. I imagine it’s much easier to manipulate the game from a PC. I also imagine it’s easier to CHEAT from a PC.
Keep banning them.
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Post by Lily77 on May 8, 2024 14:20:04 GMT
Yes, that' also what I had thought as one of the reasons behind the ban for emulators.
When I saw that Tencent itself has created an emulator, I got surprised though Tencent is Tencent. Irrespective, I find it strange to ban emulators by the Tencent owned publishers (e.g., SC), while Tencent itself markets its own emulator either for the games published by those that are directly or indirectly owned by Tencent, or not by owned it at all. It does not make any difference imo. or I am missing aspects that I do not know.
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Post by Cowslips on May 8, 2024 14:56:33 GMT
I see these type of situations frequently in real life. A manufacturer will develop, build and market an item, for example a printer. It will also develop and manufacture (or source) replacement parts and ink for customers who buy that printer. The information that arrives with the printer will stress the importance of using ink/parts provided by the manufacturer. There is likely to be a clause saying that the printer's warranty will be invalid if the wrong ink or parts are used. Nowadays it's likely that the manufacturing company is part of a large international corporation. Under that corporation's group it's quite possible for there to be another company that produces generic parts and generic ink for printers. They will happily supply those items to customers who are prepared to run the risk. I see no conflict in Tencent producing an emulator and Supercell specifying that emulators are not permitted in their games. On the old official Supercell Forum we were not permitted to discuss emulators which is probably why members feel a little "in the dark" about them. I hope this helps to clarify.
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Post by lynnk2021 on May 8, 2024 16:20:20 GMT
EDIT: Reading Supercell's TOS, I have found no mention that it's permissible to use Tencent's emulator to play Supercell games. Were I to use Tencent's emulator, I should brace myself for repercussions including a permanent ban for violating Supercell's TOS. I don't see any mention of Tencent's emulator on the official page you linked. Did you mean Tencent created an emulator on their own for some games? In the other possibility, Google Play Game is in beta, with link for more information from the same news article. In my view, it's not an emulator where you can install whatever you want, but only a selected gams that are published by their producer. Like another platform to play the game the way it is designed, with official support. First of all, I apologize for causing confusion in my previous post. Please let me clarify. Supercell's Terms of Service states we must not use emulators to play their games. And there's no mention of an exception such as the Tencent emulator.
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Post by Frog on May 8, 2024 17:11:28 GMT
First of all, I apologize for causing confusion in my previous post. Please let me clarify. Supercell's Terms of Service states we must not use emulators to play their games. And there's no mention of an exception such as the Tencent emulator. I think you misunderstood my post. I was trying to understand what made you think Tencent has developed an "emulator" for their games? Did you mean that Google Play Games is owned by Tencent? The posts following yours seems to stress on this point so I am very confused.
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Post by lynnk2021 on May 8, 2024 17:21:03 GMT
Um, it wasn't me who informed us Tencent is offering an emulator for its games. justhayday.boards.net/post/54842/threadBTW, I'm LOL that it's possible for us to play the game telephone unintentionally on a chat forum. EDIT: I don't know if Google Games is owned by Tencent.
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Post by Frog on May 8, 2024 17:35:58 GMT
My apologies, but rereading the posts, everyone seems to refer to Goolge Play Games (without naming it) as Tencent's emulator, intentionnally or not.
That's why I'm confused. However I'm going off topic so I'll stop here.
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Post by Lily77 on May 8, 2024 18:39:17 GMT
It was me who stated that Tencent has developed its own emulator for particular games (which I did not know until today). It is all over the Internet that one can find easily.
And I do not think no one has referred to Google Play (except a person wrote in their post that: "In the other possibility, Google Play Game is in beta, ...") or no one has claimed that Google play is owned by Tencent (hopefully, I do not see any form of connection between these two companies). I just wrote that some games are allowed to be played by the emulator developed and promoted by Tencent, which I find strange as I wrote.
Tencent is one of the monopolists, and likely the second dominant company in the gaming sector all over the world (for sure, it seems to be the dominant company in certain regions). Accordingly, allowing the games that are published directly or indirectly owned by Tencent (if this is the case which I do not know as I stated) is certainly not fine as such a conduct is liable to create a competitive advantage for Tencent. I am also still not sure to what extent these emulators in general are safe for the players while there is definitely a need for emulators for the players that have difficulties on playing mobile devices.
A company as Tencent (i) which has the economic strength and (ii) which has one of the largest shares in the relevant market (these are the denominators assessed mainly and they go hand-in-hand) cannot make the use of its emulator exclusive to its "own games" (games that are published by those owned by Tencent directly or indirectly), Tencent cannot block the use of other similar softwares on its "own games", or Tencent cannot refuse the other gaming companies from using Tencent's emulator if they wish to do. This is a special responsibility imposed on the largest companies by the competition rules in certain regions. Otherwise, the ink example given above is a very good example to illustrate why there are especially competition rules as the whole market is highly liberalised. The largest company or one of the largest companies (manufacturing printers) will simply undermine or destroy the competition in the market by forcing to use the ink either manufactured by that company or a company that belongs to that company (etc.) both to the detriment of consumers (end-users), customers and ultimately its competitors.
There are are many examples. For instance, Hilti made its nail guns compatible only with its nails so the manufacturers of other branded nails were put at disadvantage as Hilti is/was the dominant companies in nail gun market (tying), Microsoft incorporated its media player irrespective of whether consumers could delete and replace it with another software (bundling), one of the leading elevator manufacturers (I forgot the name) made its "free maintenance promotion" service on the condition that the "free maintenance promotion" would cease in case it is found that a customer used spare parts manufactured by the other companies and as such. I am writing the names as they are public by the judgments. All these companies are imposed on very heavy fines as they all engaged in illegal exclusionary abuse which could not be justified, and there are many examples. Of course, how the rules look like and how they are enforced are regional = ultimately, in the hands of the competition authorities, and finally the judiciary.
Summary: I personally find it strange, which is the reason why I wrote it, and it was very nice to read different opinions.
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Post by Frog on May 8, 2024 19:04:05 GMT
Clash Royale and Clash of Clans are currently being offered on PC via Google Play Games. So when these games are mentioned, I automatically think about Google Play Games.
The other emulator is new to me. I did some research, its name is Game Loop. I don't see any supercell games offered in this store.
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