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Post by LuvHayDay on Sept 23, 2023 18:28:17 GMT
I try not to be cynical, but I wonder if some of the problems weāve been discussing really are the result of poor planningāor whether they were designed that way to encourage us to spend diamonds and/or watch movies to speed up tasks so they can be finished in one day. Weāre definitely being encouraged to spend diamonds to do other things (such as buy an extra task), so itās not far-fetched to think that other aspects of the event have the same purpose.
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Post by Frog on Sept 23, 2023 18:59:04 GMT
I try not to be cynical, but I wonder if some of the problems weāve been discussing really are the result of poor planningāor whether they were designed that way to encourage us to spend diamonds and/or watch movies to speed up tasks so they can be finished in one day. Weāre definitely being encouraged to spend diamonds to do other things (such as buy an extra task), so itās not far-fetched to think that other aspects of the event have the same purpose. I'm with you. The game can't be too easy. Derby still required diamonds to reach last columns for small hoods. That's totally fine with me although I don't like it. Nowadays, I rarely find anything in the game worth spending diamonds I accumulated through the years. In fact, I want to be able to spend some of them when they improve my gameplay. But those gonna be used for testing. But, there are things that could have been done better in this event: - explain the rules prior to the event. Rules are different than Birthday event and Support page even have incorrect info (4 daily tasks!). - inform players about rules change. After the initial bug, how are we supposed to know for sure what's going on? I don't recall being informed from official source that daily task is now 15, not even on reddit. I can't imagine how others language speaking players are supposed to enjoy the game. I'll keep trashing, renewing expired task and keep going like I normally would. There are not much room to define a strategy but I want to understand how buggy all this is.  |
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Post by donkeyfan on Sept 23, 2023 19:09:04 GMT
LuvHayDay No, you aren't cynical but realistic. Either that was on their mind in the first place (what seems to me the fact with the highest probability) or they did not know what they are doing with all the restraints given. I don't think that the second possibility applies because in that case I'd doubt their ability to program a game resp. an event. All things considered it's not something with which they can be satisfied, just the opposite is the case. If it was the intention how far they could go by "forcing" us using diamonds for a better advancing or/and watching vids in order to accelerate time....it is poorly implemented. The only thing they "achieved" is frustration and for the future more restraints for upcoming events. I mentioned this issue earlier....I realized that developers are going to tighten the gameplay in general, but they have to be cautious. If they overdo things they will get the opposite of what they want. It's a small borderline which must not be crossed.
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Post by chezlavigne on Sept 23, 2023 19:11:11 GMT
I try not to be cynical, but I wonder if some of the problems weāve been discussing really are the result of poor planningāor whether they were designed that way to encourage us to spend diamonds and/or watch movies to speed up tasks so they can be finished in one day. Weāre definitely being encouraged to spend diamonds to do other things (such as buy an extra task), so itās not far-fetched to think that other aspects of the event have the same purpose. I used up almost all my production booster vouchers, doing this event. Iām still not confident that Iāll get to 15 000 points/pretzels. |
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Post by Hummel on Sept 23, 2023 19:32:06 GMT
I used up a lot of boosters as well. The only way I will make it to the end is by getting higher value tasks. My mini farm is getting a lot more difficult tasks for fewer points than my main farm. I donāt understand that, but I refuse to spend any diamonds on what is supposed to be a fun event.
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Post by MommySnooks šÆ on Sept 23, 2023 19:54:15 GMT
Iāve spent some diamonds to complete things so I can line up the next tasks in the queue and hopefully be able to finish them before bed. If I had more time, I shouldāve kept track of how many. Because as it stands, if I donāt make it to the end reward, Iām never doing that again.
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Post by MommySnooks šÆ on Sept 23, 2023 19:57:37 GMT
Has anyone put together a list of what the high point tasks are?
Iām wondering if itās possible to prepare that way. I just got a task to make three iron (!) bracelets. I donāt keep bars, and in fact keep selling them when I do make them, to make room in my barn. If I knew a jewelry task could appear, I might have chosen something else and tried to hold on to them.
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Post by Hummel on Sept 23, 2023 20:01:49 GMT
Has anyone put together a list of what the high point tasks are? Iām wondering if itās possible to prepare that way. I just got a task to make three iron (!) bracelets. I donāt keep bars, and in fact keep selling them when I do make them, to make room in my barn. If I knew a jewelry task could appear, I might have chosen something else and tried to hold on to them. I donāt have a list of high point tasks. I rarely get one worth more than 100 points. My most valuable task was a 45 bacon task for 450 points. |
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Post by ducktown2021 on Sept 23, 2023 20:29:35 GMT
Has anyone put together a list of what the high point tasks are? Iām wondering if itās possible to prepare that way. I just got a task to make three iron (!) bracelets. I donāt keep bars, and in fact keep selling them when I do make them, to make room in my barn. If I knew a jewelry task could appear, I might have chosen something else and tried to hold on to them. I posted some high point tasks in previous postings, I have had 3x feed 5 zoo animals for 500 points per task, and some 450 point tasks, donāt remember them. I do make products during night of the ones I know I have had them. At least they are ready to collect once timer resets. Catch 4 ducks is also a higher point task. |
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Post by BostonGirl on Sept 23, 2023 20:42:51 GMT
I thought I might use diamonds to buy an extra task on my big farm since I trashed a couple tasks the first day on that farm, and as a result I am behind my baby farm in points. I got the accordion player on the baby farm today and will be about 500 (pretzels š) short on the big farm. But I just realized - I donāt think the ability to add a task with diamonds appears until all the 15 regular tasks are done or gone! This is another mistake on their part, I think. My regular tasks wonāt be done for many hours, and by then believe me I wonāt want to spend diamonds. Ugh. What were they thinking? Funny. Today I looked at my tasks and considered buying an extra task. Then I realised that I have a preservation task - kimchi. Those jars wonāt be done before the tasks reset. Which means of course, no purchasing of the extra task. I suppose the thinking is that I should trash the kimchi, but itās 280 pretzels. With 100s and 80s the general trend, that thing is staying put. I donāt even know if Iāll reach the second (accordion?) pig before the event ends. EDIT: the task is 3 kimchi for 120 pretzels. š¤¦āāļø Donāt know what I was seeing before. Still sticking with it. |
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Post by BostonGirl on Sept 23, 2023 20:56:40 GMT
I try not to be cynical, but I wonder if some of the problems weāve been discussing really are the result of poor planningāor whether they were designed that way to encourage us to spend diamonds and/or watch movies to speed up tasks so they can be finished in one day. Weāre definitely being encouraged to spend diamonds to do other things (such as buy an extra task), so itās not far-fetched to think that other aspects of the event have the same purpose. I'm with you. The game can't be too easy. Derby still required diamonds to reach last columns for small hoods. That's totally fine with me although I don't like it. Nowadays, I rarely find anything in the game worth spending diamonds I accumulated through the years. In fact, I want to be able to spend some of them when they improve my gameplay. But those gonna be used for testing. But, there are things that could have been done better in this event: - explain the rules prior to the event. Rules are different than Birthday event and Support page even have incorrect info (4 daily tasks!). - inform players about rules change. After the initial bug, how are we supposed to know for sure what's going on? I don't recall being informed from official source that daily task is now 15, not even on reddit. I can't imagine how others language speaking players are supposed to enjoy the game. I'll keep trashing, renewing expired task and keep going like I normally would. There are not much room to define a strategy but I want to understand how buggy all this is.  Unlike Classic Hay Day, newer games donāt explain anything. By newer I mean any game 5 years old or younger. IMO itās deliberate. The learning curve initially keeps you in the game longer, increasing the chance that youāll continue to play. Bonus? Youāll make mistakes that will probably cause you to make in-game purchases early on. These are just my thoughts. Like I said I play a lot of games and I see trends... ātry a lot of gamesā is probably a truer statement because I also delete a lot of games.š I say Classic: but I sincerely hope Supercell isnāt trying to change the game culture. I donāt mind persuasion toward diamond use, but frustration as incentive needs to walk a fine line and this event seems to have crossed it. |
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Post by blackbrit on Sept 23, 2023 21:04:17 GMT
I thought I might use diamonds to buy an extra task on my big farm since I trashed a couple tasks the first day on that farm, and as a result I am behind my baby farm in points. I got the accordion player on the baby farm today and will be about 500 (pretzels š) short on the big farm. But I just realized - I donāt think the ability to add a task with diamonds appears until all the 15 regular tasks are done or gone! This is another mistake on their part, I think. My regular tasks wonāt be done for many hours, and by then believe me I wonāt want to spend diamonds. Ugh. What were they thinking? Funny. Today I looked at my tasks and considered buying an extra task. Then I realised that I have a preservation task - kimchi. Those jars wonāt be done before the tasks reset. Which means of course, no purchasing of the extra task. I suppose the thinking is that I should trash the kimchi, but itās 280 pretzels. With 100s and 80s the general trend, that thing is staying put. I donāt even know if Iāll reach the second (accordion?) pig before the event ends. I would say definitely finish the kimchi. I finished all the dayās tasks faster than I thought (using boosters) so decided to spend the 10 diamonds for one more, as my big farm is definitely behind my baby farm, which has the accordion playing pig today. So, I purchased the task. And I got one to make 4 silver bars, all for 100 pretzels, hardly enough to catch up. I did it instantly as Iāve been keeping bars piled up since this started, knowing they will be asked for. If I were to take another task? 20 diamonds! |
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Post by chezlavigne on Sept 23, 2023 22:06:36 GMT
I try not to be cynical, but I wonder if some of the problems weāve been discussing really are the result of poor planningāor whether they were designed that way to encourage us to spend diamonds and/or watch movies to speed up tasks so they can be finished in one day. Weāre definitely being encouraged to spend diamonds to do other things (such as buy an extra task), so itās not far-fetched to think that other aspects of the event have the same purpose. I spent 10 diamonds for an extra task. It was 4 carrot pies for 60 pretzels/points. I will not be wasting diamonds on this event. |
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Post by Dibzie on Sept 23, 2023 22:15:50 GMT
I agree with a lot of what's been said. Many of the tasks in this event are difficult to impossible to complete. At the start I set my personal goal/hopes to get the two pigs, and I got the second one today. If I don't finish this event to the 15k total points I don't care!
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Post by lynnk2021 on Sept 23, 2023 23:18:13 GMT
Holy Cow! On my Baby Farm, today's task queue included 2 tasks for 500 pretzels: 500 for waking up 5 sanctuary animals and 500 for feeding 5 sanctuary animals. Easy peasy.
BF is at 9300 with 3d and 8h left in event.
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Post by MommySnooks šÆ on Sept 23, 2023 23:52:57 GMT
Three cherry jam for 140 as an extra task. So since I spent ten diamonds for it, tell me it doesnāt count as one of the 15 for tomorrow.
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Post by jdog on Sept 24, 2023 2:22:25 GMT
I have been trying to stay positive during this Octoberfest event, but that ship sailed today. I have not deleted any of the task, no matter how ridiculous they were. I finished everything today and realized that it will be nearly impossible to get to the end with just 3 days left.
This is beyond frustrating, but expected since it seems to be the new normal with things.
This has been one of the tougher weeks Iāve had on hay day. The bingo derby was brutal. The boat event yesterday was some of the hardest boats Iāve ever had, then this Octoberfest poop show.
I thought they were looking to make the game less stressful based on the survey we took a few months ago. I guess not everyone got that memo.
Definitely hoping that next week is easierā¦ā¦."
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Post by Lily77 on Sept 24, 2023 2:23:00 GMT
I do not aim to be negative, I just want to write the path of the game that has taken in recent years from the perspective of a significant number of players and former players that I know.
The mentality "the other events were a give-away" shows the greedy, disloyal and disrespectful approach of either SC or HayDay team. It is me and many players who gave away our money (players who spend money), and time and dedication (players who preferred not to spend money for any reason) especially when the game was made available to support. It is us, all the players, made this game popular by playing and spreading the word.
- So, what we were given during the "easy" events cannot even be compared to what we have given to SC for many years (or Hayday team - whatever it is).
Naturally, the game has become popular within time, and the path completely changed. Almost every aspect of this game has become overly monetized. In turn, copy & paste decorations in farm-pass that a player pays for, complete lack of care (customer service and constant wrong or conflicting info given even for simple weekly events), disappeared permit events - instead, either 400 diamonds for 3 permits irrational offers, or diamod to be spent in derby rewards to shuffle which requires more shuffle to get permit, and so many that can be listed. That this greedy and imbalanced path has started with the sale of SC or other reason(s), I have no idea.
Especially after having the sense of that the players are the "wallet" of SC, no way - not anymore, not for pixels. In addition, not in my opinion that SC deserves, so I am not giving money away.
The closing of the forum is not that different (I am grateful to this forum). At least for one game that I have been playing since its introduction by one of the biggest developers (if not the biggest), they have their forum, they have amazing moderators who are players and who are only given the game currency for their hard work, and they are fair and objective to criticise the developer when the balance gets out of order. Accordingly, the developer rectifies the situation (the moderators regularly list paid - unpaid/free decorations and they assure that the number will be equal and that the characteristics of the paid and unpaid deco will not be different to the extent that the unpaid deco is not to be a piece of "thing"). So, the developer truly listens to the players.
SC: They do not care at all and this is quite obvious. One example, the town update has been wanted for a long time by many players, but nothing - only new animals are introduced (perhaps SC wants players to "give away" money for puzzle pieces). In any case, SC or the HayDay team just give the impression that "we listen to you" without doing so. Many people think that this event is intentionally designed to pull money from the players (otherwise, there is a serious math calculation, which indicates lack of care). In both ways, it is a shame.
I do not mind this event, I have just reached the golden "precious" map piece. I am trashing tasks, spending zero diamond for additional tasks and doing the event when I have time. I really wished to buy the lady pig. However, after all - no. This is not going to happen.
Good luck every player - hope you reach the deco that you wish to have.
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Post by anniebel884 on Sept 24, 2023 2:34:30 GMT
Yeah I enjoyed the other events like this, but this one is not as fun. I have 4 farms, & only 1 looks like it is going to make it to the end. I have only deleted a couple of tasks, but the ones that look like they are not going to make it, have rarely got any high point tasks.
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Post by š¼GymGirlšŗ on Sept 24, 2023 5:08:20 GMT
May I suggest a possible fix? ā¢If the issue with the original format was thatā¢ people where finishing too quicklyā¢And the issue created by a non accumulating daily limit is thatā¢ those who can't play consistently everyday due to real life commitments are missing outā¢Surely the solution isā¢A limited amount of tasks released daily BUT those tasks accumulate rather than being missed out onE.g; -Day 1 everyone starts with 15 tasks assigned -Day 2 another 15 tasks added -Day 3 another 15 tasks added Etc, etc Those who want to play daily can Those who can only play sporadically can complete tasks as time allows Finishing is still slowed by the limited daily task addition and sparodic players have the chance to not miss out aswell Makes sense to me. Just arrived home, took a look at the tasks and putting the iPad away again until I have unpacked etc etc . Only one task over 80 pointsš . Not for me like this. |
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Post by ducktown2021 on Sept 24, 2023 8:25:51 GMT
I feel insulted with the tasks on my board today, lots of jam tasks, I aināt gonna trash them. I am glad to have 2 5-star boosters active today that shorten production times of 6 machines by 50%. I never used those boosters, glad now that I have them. Getting points though is a painful grind.
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Post by porg69 on Sept 24, 2023 8:31:30 GMT
I try not to be cynical, but I wonder if some of the problems weāve been discussing really are the result of poor planningāor whether they were designed that way to encourage us to spend diamonds and/or watch movies to speed up tasks so they can be finished in one day. Weāre definitely being encouraged to spend diamonds to do other things (such as buy an extra task), so itās not far-fetched to think that other aspects of the event have the same purpose. I spent 10 diamonds for an extra task. It was 4 carrot pies for 60 pretzels/points. I will not be wasting diamonds on this event. I did the same yesterday.. it wasnāt a high value task but definitely not worth spending diamonds. I got to the accordion at last reset now hoping 2k each day for the last 3 days so it might be close if itās not for the 40 or 60 tasks I got at todays reset time. Strangely no task for zoo which would be a big help |
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Post by ducktown2021 on Sept 24, 2023 8:43:38 GMT
I spent 10 diamonds for an extra task. It was 4 carrot pies for 60 pretzels/points. I will not be wasting diamonds on this event. I did the same yesterday.. it wasnāt a high value task but definitely not worth spending diamonds. I got to the accordion at last reset now hoping 2k each day for the last 3 days so it might be close if itās not for the 40 or 60 tasks I got at todays reset time. Strangely no task for zoo which would be a big help Zoo task(s) might pop-up from your que, I got one after I completed a task from the original 6 task on the board. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by donkeyfan on Sept 24, 2023 9:10:33 GMT
@all
I have to say....I admire your stamina! Congrets to everyone who proceeded despite the difficult circumstances.
KUDOS! šš
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Post by Hummel on Sept 24, 2023 9:47:20 GMT
I trashed 3 of my baby farms task right away this morning. They were worth less than 100 pts and asked for silver bars, gold bars and chocolate bars. I couldnāt believe it. At this point I donāt care anymore if I make it to the end or not. I refuse to spend any diamonds on this event. I am just too frustrated.
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Post by ducktown2021 on Sept 24, 2023 9:49:53 GMT
I feel insulted with the tasks on my board today, lots of jam tasks, I aināt gonna trash them. I am glad to have 2 5-star boosters active today that shorten production times of 6 machines by 50%. I never used those boosters, glad now that I have them. Getting points though is a painful grind. After the 4 apple juice for less 100 points I got the 4 pineapple juice for even worse points. I wonāt be trashing them, but the final target of 15000 points sails over the horizon for me, unlessā¦ā¦ |
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Post by BostonGirl on Sept 24, 2023 9:54:32 GMT
I feel insulted with the tasks on my board today, lots of jam tasks, I aināt gonna trash them. I am glad to have 2 5-star boosters active today that shorten production times of 6 machines by 50%. I never used those boosters, glad now that I have them. Getting points though is a painful grind. Hate to tell you; this means the strategy is working and is therefore unlikely to change. Itās been working on me too. Do you remember when the huge chests used to give 5-star Rose and Ernest boosters? I used to trash them! I had many of those boosters and never used R&E because they messed up my barn-play. Now, I use them. Not all the time. But I do. Why? Because the eggs, milk and sugar requirements went through the roof. The chests no longer give the boosters and they are for sale for diamonds. We might not like it, but the changing game forces changes to our habits if we want to keep playing. Someone above asked if it was the sale of Supercell that caused these changes. The easy answer is āyesā. The more complicated answer is āYes, becauseā¦ā On the old forum I was a bit skeptical of SCās assertion in the news article that the contract specified that things (SC culture) would remain the same. I made the point that the culture - especially SCās full autonomy over the processes - and the game would change to maximise profit. Another poster strongly chastised me. But to me it was obvious that if I invested four billion dollars in anything I would expect a return on that investment. And when the money is flowing to my satisfaction, I would be content to give my new employees autonomy; but the moment I have to wonder if I can afford to buy the island in the Caribbean that my wife has her eye on,š¤Ø Iām putting my finger on the wheel. And there was no way I was going to wholly give that up in a contract. Hence my (still remaining) skepticism. Now maximising profit doesnāt mean they donāt care about what players want. Without players, thereās no game. No game, definitely no profits. So they do listen. Carefully. They just donāt give us everything we want. Theyāre trying to balance player satisfaction/frustration with increased profits. So yepā¦I am completely convinced that the new event is designed to make it impossible to win the final prize without either spending 22/7 (not an error) in the game for the duration of the event, or spending money/diamonds to allow (restorative) sleep into your schedule. š SC is betting that most of us will adapt and keep playing. Theyāll probably adjust a few of the more egregious features but our former completely relaxed style of play is gone forever. That really went out the door with the introduction of the Derby. Now itās just a matter of degree. How much can we takeā¦more accurately, how much will we accept? SC is hoping to crack the formula. In a way I hope they do because if they donāt, Iām going to miss the game. |
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Post by Frog on Sept 24, 2023 11:26:01 GMT
I'm playing devil advocate, and because I am no longer a dedicated players who want everything, especially when the rules are not fair (fair according to my cats). "Relaxing style" can be boring and chase players away. I remember what's keeping me in the game was all the planning and optimising production to maximize coins. Later, with player base growing, the black market destroys it and opens backdoors for other abuse. Boston Girl, you mention autonomy, but autonomy also comes with responsibilities, not " I do what I want to do regardless the consequences". What if the pressure comes from the team itself to be able to maintain a sustainable game and not going to destroy it? We won't talk about non conventional way to play the game but making the rules harder would limit the known abuse as well. I'm happy that at least this event can't be cheated, even playing field fore everyone. The difference is luck of the straw on the task. We are here debating because we want to reach all the goals, especially deco, right? What if part of them are meant to be reached with the help of diamons only, just like Farm Pass, although not clearly stating so? I'm not interesting in decos in general as it does not improve my gameplay but I understand it can be a big deal for some players. Looking at my booster, I have 500+ in storage all types included (I completely forgot about them in this event, I watched ads instead to reduce production time on Jellybeans  ). Also 4k+ diamonds and more unclaimed on the farm. Events like this are just perfect to use them. But, how am I supposed to use them not knowing the value in return? That's what missing here. Unrelated to this Oktoberfest event, I also dislike some sales techniques with "limited" offer not stating for how long, partly revealed deco catalogue so I can't take decision duly informed. I feel like trapped, even lied to. It doens't make it easy for players to understand what's going on and what's coming next. Eveyrone's time is precious, if I can't understand what's I'm buying, I'm keeping my diamonds. |
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Post by Frog on Sept 24, 2023 11:29:55 GMT
Price of additional task, in diamonds, once all taks done (no task in queue nor no task pending):
1st additional task: 10
2nd additional task: 20
3rd additional task: 40
4th additional task: 80
5th additional task: 160
6th additional task: 320
Ran out of diamonds to check further. To me it's more a dissuasive measure than an encouragement to buy extra tasks. One of the task is for 30 Pretzels (8x bread) so completely luck.
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Post by BostonGirl on Sept 24, 2023 11:45:28 GMT
I'm playing devil advocate, and because I am no longer a dedicated players who want everything, especially when the rules are not fair (fair according to my cats). "Relaxing style" can be boring and chase players away. I remember what's keeping me in the game was all the planning and optimising production to maximize coins. Later, with player base growing, the black market destroys it and opens backdoors for other abuse. Boston Girl, you mention autonomy, but autonomy also comes with responsibilities, not " I do what I want to do regardless the consequences". What if the pressure comes from the team itself to be able to maintain a sustainable game and not going to destroy it? We won't talk about non conventional way to play the game but making the rules harder would limit the known abuse as well. I'm happy that at least this event can't be cheated, even playing field fore everyone. The difference is luck of the straw on the task. We are here debating because we want to reach all the goals, especially deco, right? What if part of them are meant to be reached with the help of diamons only, just like Farm Pass, although not clearly stating so? I'm not interesting in decos in general as it does not improve my gameplay but I understand it can be a big deal for some players. Looking at my booster, I have 500+ in storage all types included (I completely forgot about them in this event, I watched ads instead to reduce production time on Jellybeans ). Also 4k+ diamonds and more unclaimed on the farm. Events like this are just perfect to use them. But, how am I supposed to use them not knowing the value in return? That's what missing here. Unrelated to this Oktoberfest event, I also dislike some sales techniques with "limited" offer not stating for how long, partly revealed deco catalogue so I can't take decision duly informed. I feel like trapped, even lied to. It doens't make it easy for players to understand what's going on and what's coming next. Eveyrone's time is precious, if I can't understand what's I'm buying, I'm keeping my diamonds. Donāt know how much of a devilās advocate youāre being when it turns out Iām agreeing with everything you say.š |
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