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Post by Frog on Nov 6, 2021 13:03:23 GMT
Imagining 2 farms (Farm A and Farm B) who have exactly these 2 task on the same day. I'm talking about 2 valley tasks:
- Fill boat crates (x1 for 2 sun points)
- Complete one truck order (x1 for 2 sun points)
In your opinion, which farm should get the sun point when:
1. Farm A fill boat crates flagged by Farm B
2. Farm A complete a truck order flagged by Farm B
And why? If the contrary happens, how does that impact the way players filling flagged crate/truck orders?
It would be interesting to think in term of game balance. Let us read your thoughts.
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Post by donkeyfan on Nov 6, 2021 15:40:18 GMT
Hi FrogI find it difficult to answer your question properly as I avoid those tasks. (I don't like ship or truck). But if I had to choose...I would favor the farm which filled the crates. I think to fulfill a boat order is higher to value due to the fact that mostly a multiple amount of the same product is in demand. Furthermore you can delete a truck order and wait for a better one, this takes only 30 minutes. A boat crate can't be deleted, you have to fullfill it. Time is also a factor. After completing a boat order you have to wait 4 hours for the next ship. But, as I said, I'm not a good adviser for this matter. So it is probable someone has a better idea. Just my 2 cents... |
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Post by Frog on Nov 6, 2021 15:50:21 GMT
Let me help you.
The boat crate asks for wheat x80 and the truck order asks for wheat x80. Only 1 crate flagged and one truck order flagged, for the sake of clarity.
The product used is irrelevant in my question. Farm B can be at level 20 which doesn't require much to fulfill an order. And Farm A is at level 200 and have no issues filling *any* order.
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Post by BauldersGate on Nov 6, 2021 16:01:31 GMT
Getting sun points for an order/crate you've simply flagged for someone else to fill seems odd.
You've not actually done any work to fill it.
Yes it's harder to fill bigger orders/make more things at lower levels but that's the same for any game that's ever existed surely?
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Post by donkeyfan on Nov 6, 2021 16:23:02 GMT
FrogOne more question to clarify for me your view of point. If I take this as given: you want to know which farm "deserves" the sun points more, right?
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Post by Frog on Nov 6, 2021 16:31:20 GMT
Exactly. We already know that coin and XP goes to farm A, my question is about sunpoints.
To push the discussion even further, if farm A gets sun point, how does it motivate players to fill flagged order? Or if Farm B gets sun points, then would players be motivated to fill flagged order?
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Post by MommySnooks 🐯 on Nov 6, 2021 16:42:28 GMT
(I don’t usually pay attention to these kinds of details. How does it work now?)
I don’t think it should matter whether it’s a boat or truck. If you’re filling an order to get a Sun point, you get the Sun point, simple.
Doesn’t matter whether it’s yours, a friend’s, or a random fellow HD player. That’s my view as of now, unless there’s some compelling reason to do it the other way around. Why complicate things and confuse people?
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Post by MommySnooks 🐯 on Nov 6, 2021 16:55:29 GMT
Exactly. We already know that coin and XP goes to farm A, my question is about sunpoints. To push the discussion even further, if farm A gets sun point, how does it motivate players to fill flagged order? Or if Farm B gets sun points, then would players be motivated to fill flagged order? If you need to do a task to get a Sun point, you’re motivated by getting the Sun point? if the Sun points went to someone else, I think it would lessen motivation overall. There may be some who, if they don’t need the points, might want to help someone (likely a hoodmate or friend) get a few more for a fuel spin before the day ends (when what they already did goes to waste when it’s reset to zero), or something like that. But it would have to be consistent. So you either have the task to earn Sun points or to give them. It would be something to consider, to either carry Sun points over (makes the most sense—and I don’t mean as a way to burn diamonds like the piggy bank turned into), or to be able to donate your unused points to someone. But I think the second one might be complicated to implement and not very likely. It’d be nice, though. |
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Post by donkeyfan on Nov 6, 2021 17:02:29 GMT
I agree to MommySnooks 🐯. I would consider it as pragmatical. But if you want to have a reason regarding to "deserve" the sun points more: I'd always favorite a farm which has to spend more effort to fullfill an order due to the level. |
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Post by Frog on Nov 6, 2021 18:18:21 GMT
With different kind of sun task, not every order filled is from the farm that has that specific Valley task. So this situation could also happen: Farm B does not have fill crate/ complete truck order task. Flagged and got help from Farm A. Then where do the sun points go?  |
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Post by MommySnooks 🐯 on Nov 6, 2021 18:36:39 GMT
Still farm A, that has the task.
The points go to the giver/filler, not the flagger. (Is that a word? If not, it is now, lol.)
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Post by donkeyfan on Nov 6, 2021 19:38:30 GMT
Still farm A, that has the task. The points go to the giver/filler, not the flagger. (Is that a word? If not, it is now, lol.) Well described. Would be also my point.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 11:54:35 GMT
I agree, I think whoever filled the help should get the points
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Post by Frog on Nov 7, 2021 15:49:26 GMT
Well, anyone wanna tell Supercell they messed up the truck task in Valley? Because it is currently the Farm B who gets the fuel points or even worse, no one gets sun points.
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Post by greenleaf on Nov 7, 2021 17:23:59 GMT
I feel that the person completing the task should get the sun points. But, we don't. In the farm pass, i dont get credit for filling boat crates for others. It only counts crates on my farm. This forces me to do a dang boat, which I loathe, lol, or pass up the points for it. SC really needs to address this so I don't have to do dang boats! 😂
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Post by xkitty on Nov 7, 2021 18:18:30 GMT
Getting sun points for an order/crate you've simply flagged for someone else to fill seems odd. You've not actually done any work to fill it. Yes it's harder to fill bigger orders/make more things at lower levels but that's the same for any game that's ever existed surely? Well, that is not exactly true. There was work done prior to filling the crates, not mention that some take a lot of hours and product to fill those crates. I also believe we should sun points. The person who owns the boat has actually done less work then the person filling the crates and sometimes makes out like a bandit. If I ask for help I put good stuff in my stand to entice people to contribute. |
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Post by MommySnooks 🐯 on Nov 7, 2021 18:26:10 GMT
Boat scores (or whatever rewards we get for sending a whole boat), I can see going to the person who sent the boat.
But I always thought the person who helped me got the rewards for that crate or truck order.? And when I fill a crate for someone else, I thought I got points for it. (The graphics just fly around too fast to see what is going where.) I’ll have to pay attention to it when it comes up again.
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Post by Frog on Nov 7, 2021 18:35:09 GMT
Boat scores (or whatever rewards we get for sending a whole boat), I can see going to the person who sent the boat. But I always thought the person who helped me got the rewards for that crate or truck order.? And when I fill a crate for someone else, I thought I got points for it. (The graphics just fly around too fast to see what is going where.) I’ll have to pay attention to it when it comes up again. There are boat score per crate (goes to who fills the crate, together with coin and xp) and bonus boat score for sending full boat (goes to the farmer with the boat). Checking own boat score before/after is enough to confirm this. |
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Post by BauldersGate on Nov 7, 2021 19:23:44 GMT
Getting sun points for an order/crate you've simply flagged for someone else to fill seems odd. You've not actually done any work to fill it. Yes it's harder to fill bigger orders/make more things at lower levels but that's the same for any game that's ever existed surely? Well, that is not exactly true. There was work done prior to filling the crates, not mention that some take a lot of hours and product to fill those crates. I also believe we should sun points. The person who owns the boat has actually done less work then the person filling the crates and sometimes makes out like a bandit. If I ask for help I put good stuff in my stand to entice people to contribute. What I mean in its simplest terms is; If you have filled the crate or completed the truck order flagged by another farm you do get the reward If you have flagged the crate or truck order to be filled by someone else then you do not get the reward for that particular crate/truck order, the farm that fills/completes it does |
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Post by MommySnooks 🐯 on Nov 7, 2021 20:37:57 GMT
Boat scores (or whatever rewards we get for sending a whole boat), I can see going to the person who sent the boat. But I always thought the person who helped me got the rewards for that crate or truck order.? And when I fill a crate for someone else, I thought I got points for it. (The graphics just fly around too fast to see what is going where.) I’ll have to pay attention to it when it comes up again. There are boat score per crate (goes to who fills the crate, together with coin and xp) and bonus boat score for sending full boat (goes to the farmer with the boat). Checking own boat score before/after is enough to confirm this. Generally speaking, I never really pay attention to that because I don’t care what my boat score is, lol. But anyway, that’s the way I thought it worked. Are you saying it’s not the same with the Sun tasks? |
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Post by Frog on Nov 7, 2021 20:59:43 GMT
There are boat score per crate (goes to who fills the crate, together with coin and xp) and bonus boat score for sending full boat (goes to the farmer with the boat). Checking own boat score before/after is enough to confirm this. Generally speaking, I never really pay attention to that because I don’t care what my boat score is, lol. But anyway, that’s the way I thought it worked. Are you saying it’s not the same with the Sun tasks? With sun points, it used to be that sun points go to the one filling the crate/order. Till recently, when filling truck orders when having sun task, I no longer get those points. Filling boat crate still gives me sun points. Checked sun bar before/after when going back to my farm, not just based on visual issue. By design or not, I don't even know. |
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Post by greenleaf on Nov 7, 2021 21:56:03 GMT
Generally speaking, I never really pay attention to that because I don’t care what my boat score is, lol. But anyway, that’s the way I thought it worked. Are you saying it’s not the same with the Sun tasks? With sun points, it used to be that sun points go to the one filling the crate/order. Till recently, when filling truck orders when having sun task, I no longer get those points. Filling boat crate still gives me sun points. Checked sun bar before/after when going back to my farm, not just based on visual issue. By design or not, I don't even know. I think I will write to support and try to get an answer. They are occasionally helpful. |
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Post by emailkathy on Nov 9, 2021 21:09:22 GMT
I feel that the person completing the task should get the sun points. But, we don't. In the farm pass, i dont get credit for filling boat crates for others. It only counts crates on my farm. This forces me to do a dang boat, which I loathe, lol, or pass up the points for it. SC really needs to address this so I don't have to do dang boats! 😂 In response to... "so I don't have to do dang boats! 😂"... I don't mind boats... did 6 for derby tasks this morning! Lol Sometimes I have messed myself up on sun tasks and on fp by not paying attention 🙃 once Ithought I had to plant an unholy amount of a crop and afterwards I realized it was harvest, not plant. Like wise, I have noticed that say I have fill truck crates, I fill a crate for some random person, it doesn't register until I go home. I try to help in almost anyway as long as it's a reasonable amount... no 57 honey, 15 bars of gold, 20 of any dairy etc. Sometimes it's a sun task for me or during a derby I might be doing a help task |
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Post by greenleaf on Nov 9, 2021 21:42:04 GMT
I feel that the person completing the task should get the sun points. But, we don't. In the farm pass, i dont get credit for filling boat crates for others. It only counts crates on my farm. This forces me to do a dang boat, which I loathe, lol, or pass up the points for it. SC really needs to address this so I don't have to do dang boats! 😂 In response to... "so I don't have to do dang boats! 😂"... I don't mind boats... did 6 for derby tasks this morning! Lol Sometimes I have messed myself up on sun tasks and on fp by not paying attention 🙃 once Ithought I had to plant an unholy amount of a crop and afterwards I realized it was harvest, not plant. Like wise, I have noticed that say I have fill truck crates, I fill a crate for some random person, it doesn't register until I go home. I try to help in almost anyway as long as it's a reasonable amount... no 57 honey, 15 bars of gold, 20 of any dairy etc. Sometimes it's a sun task for me or during a derby I might be doing a help task Lol. Some people do enjoy boats. I used to until the amounts requested depleted my stock horribly. And while help is always available, I'm not going to ask people to give me 20 cream to fill a crate. So I now avoid them as much as possible. I do enjoy truck tasks, and I also use the truck board to lower my stock when my barn is full. If I don't have or don't like the request, I trash it and get a new one in 30 minutes. We each play what we enjoy most about the game. I believe this feature is what has made and kept hayday so successful for so many years! There are so many sub games that interact with the main game so well. We can both have fun without liking the same features. A game for all seasons and all people! 😁😁😁😁😁 |
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Post by emailkathy on Nov 9, 2021 22:58:43 GMT
In response to... "so I don't have to do dang boats! 😂"... I don't mind boats... did 6 for derby tasks this morning! Lol Sometimes I have messed myself up on sun tasks and on fp by not paying attention 🙃 once Ithought I had to plant an unholy amount of a crop and afterwards I realized it was harvest, not plant. Like wise, I have noticed that say I have fill truck crates, I fill a crate for some random person, it doesn't register until I go home. I try to help in almost anyway as long as it's a reasonable amount... no 57 honey, 15 bars of gold, 20 of any dairy etc. Sometimes it's a sun task for me or during a derby I might be doing a help task Lol. Some people do enjoy boats. I used to until the amounts requested depleted my stock horribly. And while help is always available, I'm not going to ask people to give me 20 cream to fill a crate. So I now avoid them as much as possible. I do enjoy truck tasks, and I also use the truck board to lower my stock when my barn is full. If I don't have or don't like the request, I trash it and get a new one in 30 minutes. We each play what we enjoy most about the game. I believe this feature is what has made and kept hayday so successful for so many years! There are so many sub games that interact with the main game so well. We can both have fun without liking the same features. A game for all seasons and all people! 😁😁😁😁😁 The older I get the more cantankerous I get! Lol... ask me for 20 creams??. Good bye- you are off my dock! I used to be "afraid" to send off a boat without filling... 😆 |
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Post by greenleaf on Nov 10, 2021 16:31:31 GMT
Lol. Some people do enjoy boats. I used to until the amounts requested depleted my stock horribly. And while help is always available, I'm not going to ask people to give me 20 cream to fill a crate. So I now avoid them as much as possible. I do enjoy truck tasks, and I also use the truck board to lower my stock when my barn is full. If I don't have or don't like the request, I trash it and get a new one in 30 minutes. We each play what we enjoy most about the game. I believe this feature is what has made and kept hayday so successful for so many years! There are so many sub games that interact with the main game so well. We can both have fun without liking the same features. A game for all seasons and all people! 😁😁😁😁😁 The older I get the more cantankerous I get! Lol... ask me for 20 creams??. Good bye- you are off my dock! I used to be "afraid" to send off a boat without filling... 😆 Exactly lol! |
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