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Post by Frog on Jun 17, 2022 17:39:59 GMT
I noticed something intriguing today that I plan to monitor for a while.
However, would be more fun if you want to join in.
The legendary rules about farm visitors taught us they request for top 2 items. Therefore I am surprised that I have multiple requests from them for peanuts (about 85) while I have more than 10 crops at hundreds in silo (valley sugar cane task)
I always send visitors away to get new order, so it's not about delay in silo stock.
I suspect there is a magic number that would trigger visitor to request peanut, after the "peanut gate" we had when squirrels were introduced.
To be continued.
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Post by sunnyphoenix on Jun 17, 2022 20:07:11 GMT
I met this strange thing too when I tried to sell peanuts in double coins visitor events. I had to sell or reject many requests before they ask peanuts. And finally I had this request when they were on the first or second place, or not in the top including as you said, Frog, after many requests (not the same behavior as with another crops). I would say after min 10-15 times and even more but I didn't count, can't say definitely. It's interesting, I'll observe if time let me.
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Post by Warios on Jun 17, 2022 20:59:23 GMT
Peanuts seem to follow rules of their own, perhaps since they are not actually harvested off the tree, but collected from the squirrels in a limited supply. In the past peanuts have been in the middle of the list of my silo items and visitors still would ask for them. Any other silo item you can collect 100's if not 1000's at a time, but peanuts have a time constraint with the speed of squirrel production. They also give extremely generous rewards from townies. And I think are the only item that Farm visitors pay more then what the max RSS price is.
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Post by Frog on Jun 17, 2022 21:19:20 GMT
To share the context of "Peanut gate" and why it's special:
- peanut follows the same mecanism as honeycomb (first of its kind) where it is collected from bushes to be used in machine - these "bush products" were not requested by farm visitors. Didn't have problem with honeycombs that were (and still is) constantly needed. But squirrels came without any product needing peanut in the same update --> soon enough the Daily Dirt is all about peanut, and no visitor would ask for it. - 3 6 months passed (summer update -> september december update) till products made from peanuts were introduced and farm visitors started asking for honeycomb and peanuts.
It could be that to give an easy exit for peanuts, farm visitors would request it under some conditions even if they are not in top 2 in silo. That's what I would like to watch for my own curiosity.
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Post by Warios on Jun 17, 2022 21:29:42 GMT
Thanks for the history lesson, never knew they had introduced something that had no use in the game once collected, actually made me laugh a bit. I've never had a visitor ask for honeycomb yet, but I rarely have much extra kicking around, I have high double digit stock of honey atm so I'm going to hold off on production and see if I can get a visitor to ask for it, will be interesting to see what value they place on them.
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Post by Frog on Jun 17, 2022 21:38:12 GMT
You just need to have 0 in stock. That's how I got reminded to collect more honeycomb.
If my math is correct: For 10 honeycombs: RSS default price: 190 coins RSS max price: 684 coins Visitor price: 266 504 coins
For 10 peanuts: RSS default price: 650 coins RSS max price: 2340 coins Visitor price: 910 coins 2604 coins
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Post by Warios on Jun 17, 2022 22:40:27 GMT
I'm pretty sure farm visitors pay more for peanuts then RSS max price. Hoping to get one to ask for some tonight.
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Post by Frog on Jun 17, 2022 23:03:55 GMT
You're right, which means the formula for Visitor price is different for them as well . Peanuts request on my farm just now: Visitor offers 7551 coins for 29 out of 80 (my stock) . 32 other crops are over 100 ! Price tracking 29 * 260.4 = 7551.6 30 * 260.4 = 7812 30 * 260.4 *2 = 15624
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Post by Warios on Jun 17, 2022 23:09:29 GMT
So visitor offered 2603/10 peanuts MP is 2340 on RSS. I'm going to search some screen shots to find a x2 offer from the past. If I had to guess it should be 5206/10 during event. Found an old x2 screen shot, visitor pays 5208/10 during the event. .
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Post by Frog on Jun 18, 2022 11:59:10 GMT
I made some mistakes in the math (now corrected). Visitors offer is consistent with their offer on other product, just that Peanuts seem to have higher value in their eyes.
Only the conditions to triggeer peanut request remains a mystery now.
Edit: Honeycomb request: Visitor offers 2268 coins for 45 honeycomb. I have 0 in stock.
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Post by sunnyphoenix on Jun 19, 2022 17:30:50 GMT
I had pretty long observations on my two farms to not understand anything about this mystery again. I rejected requests from only one visitor with crop requests (on the second farm they rarely asked products instead). First farm: peanuts-2nd place (about 800) in the silo, and visitors ask for cotton(1st)(2100) and indigo(3rd)(700), once was request for tomatoes (4th)(600). Peanuts showed up in the second request, then only for 28th time, then for 10th time, now it's 30th and no requests for peanuts. Second farm: peanuts(6th)(50) were already in request, then rejected, and showed up for 18th time (requests for strawberry(1st)(140) and sugarcane (2nd)(80) only, once for pies)), then peanuts on 5th, 4th, 2nd,1st place, now it's 36th time, no peanuts. Once peanuts were on 1st, and request was not for 2nd, 3rd but for 4th-sugarcane. I couldn't understand any correlation. I remember, in the double coins event, this long waiting and very rarely I had two or even three peanuts requests pretty quickly. In this event quantity and places of crops in the silo change quickly but behavior is similar as I had on first farm during observation. Peanuts had + 122% profit in the event so I like to sell them but it's hard compared to other crops.
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Post by Frog on Jun 22, 2022 19:55:50 GMT
I find it easier to observe peanuts request when other conditions stay the same.
Since I sold some eanuts and bring it down to 50 ish (now 66), no farm visitors ahs asked peanuts. Colelctign peanuts bag slowly to see when the request would come.
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Post by Frog on Jun 25, 2022 11:25:22 GMT
Visitors seem to stop asking for peanuts when my stock is 65 (silo capacity = 6500).
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Post by sunnyphoenix on Jun 29, 2022 16:16:27 GMT
Visitors seem to stop asking for peanuts when my stock is 65 (silo capacity = 6500). I'll try to check this assumption on my farm. My silo has 1200. Now I'm trying at 12 peanuts. Then I'll try 13. I had another observations since then and for now I can only share one interesting thing I noticed. I need to try some actions to understand if it play some role or not. I left all the crops at the amount of 1. I have all crops in the game, 50, so 50 by 1. Order of crops in the silo was 1) wheat 2) corn 3) soybean ... 50) peanuts. 20 times I saw what they asked, there were only wheat (1st place) and corn (2nd). I didn't sell any of crops, sent only 1 visitor (another 1 never leave), and I have at least 1 product in the barn to minimize another requests. Then I added to peanuts, and have 12, another crops are still at 1. Interesting that order in the silo became like this 1) peanuts 2) corn 3) soybean and 50) wheat. They ask for corn (2nd place) and wheat (50th). Now I'm at 15 requests, and 6 of them for wheat, all the others for corn, no one for soybean although in my past observations I saw if peanuts at the first place then they asked for 2nd and 3rd (but it wasn't the same quantity). Don't know maybe it's nothing, I need to think with a clear head.
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Post by Frog on Jun 29, 2022 18:35:34 GMT
Thank you sunnyphenix for conducting the experiment. I haven't been playing much these last days to observe visitors request, although they stop asking for peanuts now (I have around 65-66 only, and other crops at 100+). A few hypothesis I have in mind: - % of silo size (which doesn't make much sense for me, could be just coincidence) - a minimum number of peanuts once reached, visitor would ask for peanuts, this could depend on farm level - it was just a secret peanuts seasons and now it stopped Hay Day regularly has maintenance on monday during which changes could be made. Maybe the right person read our posts?
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Post by sunnyphoenix on Jun 29, 2022 20:31:06 GMT
Hay Day regularly has maintenance on monday during which changes could be made. Maybe the right person read our posts? That was my long waiting, for example, when I started to observe two day ago β> There were at least 67 requests before I had peanuts request (previous one wasn't peanuts but I can't find the exact number because my previous records are lost somewhere). My level 232, silo 10750. At the start I had 718 peanuts, request was at 870 (but on the 10th request with this quantity). I didn't sell. And now 34 another requests with peanuts growing up to 1237 in the silo and still no peanuts request. Maybe my visitors have already learned that they wouldn't get my stocks before I get double price from them I had the same minds as your one and two hypothesis, Frog. My third was with peanuts changing places in the silo. I puzzled over a little. Thank you, Frog, for nice investigation
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Post by Frog on Jul 2, 2022 9:52:51 GMT
When I thought peanuts season is over, Saturday peanuts season strikes again i the morning when I woke up : Request for peanuts twice in a row 42 then 48 peanuts bags (peanuts is ranked 10+ ish in silo). This Hay Day mystery is too funny
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Post by Frog on Jul 7, 2022 20:17:26 GMT
Peanuts season update: - farm level 67, silo 1000: visitor asks for 8 out of 17 peanuts (not top 2) Highly suspect that peanuts is pat of some beauty secrets
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Post by sunnyphoenix on Jul 28, 2022 14:40:39 GMT
Current many days visitor event helped me to see a solution of the mystery. Peanuts are considered as a barn product, not a silo storage crop in visitor requests. When peanuts quantity has 1st or 2nd place if we correlate it with the position of the products in the barn we'll get peanuts request pretty soon. From barn product oriented visitor. We also get peanuts requests from silo storage crop oriented visitor because it's a usual thing they sometimes switch to barn product request and if peanuts yet again has 1st or 2nd place towards the barn visitor may ask for them. Because of that I saw my peanuts requests so rare. Coincidence was rare when peanuts quantity exceeded first two places in the barn and also I work with silo visitors generally. 4 examples for better visual explanation: on the first image I chose screenshots where peanuts have 1st place if consider its quantity towards the barn, 1)request from upper part, I have 10 peanuts (34th place in silo but silo place doesn't matter), visitor could ask for peanuts (1st place towards the barn) or chocolate pie (I have 9 of them in the barn, 1st place in the barn in fact but 2nd if we consider peanuts) 2)request from bottom part, visitor could ask for peanuts or snack mix on the second image I chose screenshots where peanuts have 2nd place if consider its quantity towards the barn, 1)request from upper part, visitor could ask for milk or peanuts 2)request from bottom part, visitor could ask for chocolate pie or peanuts. In all cases silo visitor with cucumber request was staying on the farm, I worked with barn visitor to check many more requests than I showed on the images. It was interesting to me to know profit for peanut products during double coins visitor event. Here's a table for it (profit percentage compared to price in roadside shop, not taking into account cost of included in product another products and crops). Counting method(cost of certain amount of product or crop offered by visitors during event x 100 / cost of the same amount in roadside shop) - 100 Product/crop name | Profit percentage % (descending)* | peanuts | β122,564 | snack mix | β94,444 | peanut butter milkshake | β69,11 | honey peanuts | β66,9 | chocolate pie | β65,35 | peanut noodles | β62,097 | peanut butter and jelly sandwich | β61,621 | fried candy bar | β59,806 | peanut fudge | β44,518 | crunchy donut | β44,23 |
*numbers may differ by tenths for different quantity of product/crop in requests Update 1: For example, price for peanuts in roadside shop is 2340 coins for 10 items and during event visitor offer 5208 coins for the same quantity so we have β122,...% of profit selling them to visitor. By the way it turns out that it's still a little more profitable to sell peanuts to farm visitors even not in the event. Compared to roadside shop price we have β11,...% of profit. Update 2:Ernest and Rose stocks must be taken into account. Visitors consider a total number of what we have, Ernest and Rose stocks including. For example, for peanuts request. If I have peanuts 13, wool 8 (1st place in the barn in fact) and brown sugar 4 (6th place in the barn) visitor will ask for peanuts or brown sugar if Ernest has brown sugar 6 (10 in total that moves brown sugar to 2nd place in the barn by visitor's coded eyes) and Rose doesn't have any wool. Update 3:I forgot to mention that we already knew but need to say this again. Visitors may ask for items that have 1st or 2nd place and items we don't have at all (quantity=0).
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Post by donkeyfan on Jul 28, 2022 15:28:41 GMT
sunnyphoenix Wow, that's a statement, awesome and very well explained. I never paid attention to this issue because I rarely serve farm visitors. Very interesting your experiment to find a pattern.
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Post by MomβsCar on Jul 28, 2022 15:44:15 GMT
I donβt check the farmhouse beggars too often, but during the event I did check because the silo was staying full. This peanut offer came up:
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Post by ClassyCats on Jul 28, 2022 15:58:25 GMT
I've been getting peanut requests too. I can't keep up. There aren't a lot of peanuts for sale and I don't have a big stock of them. I did the math on my most recent peanut order and it did come to 5208 offered per 10 peanuts.
Also, Greg keeps asking for milk. It's driving me nuts! I don't understand it. They show I have a total of 53, but that's with Rose hired right now. What's actually in my barn is 22. I keep turning the requests down but don't know if I should.
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Post by sunnyphoenix on Jul 28, 2022 18:21:38 GMT
ClassyCats, you reminded me of what I wanted to mention but forgot. That Ernest and Rose stocks must be taken into account. Visitors consider a total number of what we have, Ernest and Rose stocks including as you said. For example, for peanuts request. If I have peanuts 13, wool 8 (1st place in the barn in fact) and brown sugar 4 (6th place in the barn) visitor will ask for peanuts or brown sugar if Ernest has brown sugar 6 (10 in total that moves brown sugar to 2nd place in the barn by visitor's coded eyes) and Rose doesn't have any wool. Edit: Also we need to remember that visitors may ask for items that have 1st or 2nd place and items we don't have at all (quantity=0). donkeyfan, yes, Frog started interesting investigation and it's great to understand this mystery finally. Thanks to my decision to check another peanut things profit and lucky peanuts quantity I had I could notice appearance of peanuts requests for barn visitors. And a guess has come that became a solution at last. Peanuts collecting is a thing to me I don't do specially so it's just good to earn extra coins during this event. Barn is much more occupied building to me and for silo storage (capacity 10850 on my main farm) it's easier to accumulate stocks during usual gaming. I calculated peanuts and snack mix profit a long time ago so I just buy peanuts in newspaper when I see them and produce snack mix because it has easy components and by good fortune the highest profit of another peanut products. I had almost 2000 peanuts at the start of event. And during it I earned extra money which is always good to have This is first requests. I'm glad you find my explanation good because I tried to do it simple to understand, thank you
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Post by ClassyCats on Jul 28, 2022 20:13:05 GMT
Thank you very much sunnyphoenix! That stinks that the visitors have those "coded eyes." π And I just wanted to say also that boy I wish I had the amount of peanuts and snack mix that you have! π²π
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Post by sunnyphoenix on Jul 28, 2022 22:10:20 GMT
ClassyCats, I understand My Rose now rest but I saw how insistently visitor can ask for milk while I want to sell him or her a second item. I can imagine how it gets more difficult to manage requests with sum in the main barn and Rose and Ernest storage. Thank you and good luck with your visitors
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Post by jamahake on Jul 31, 2022 9:02:05 GMT
Wow, sunnyphoenix - impressive peanut report! Very interesting, thanks. I love how there is always something to learn in this game.
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Post by Frog on Aug 4, 2022 19:57:36 GMT
sunnyphoenix, what a great detective work! I'm very impressed and the more I think about why and how it could be the case, I am convinced you are right. Peanuts bags is considered by farm visitors as a barn product. This must be related to where peanuts come from and it sounds logical to me, programming wise. Thanks myself for raising the question and thanks everyone for supporting this thread .
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Post by sunnyphoenix on Aug 4, 2022 21:06:01 GMT
Yes, Frog, thank you for focusing us on this question Collective brainstorming I'm delighted to know the answer finally, how simple it really is and logical as you said. I wasn't thinking about this logic, about the origin of peanuts, and when I read your words, I saw it, completely logical thing.
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